mines

My 5 year old daughter used to say "mines". We thought it was funny so we also started using "mines" sometimes. My sister made her a bag that said "mines". Maybe it's not just my daughter; perhaps this is a common mistake by toddlers, and the adults started using it because they thought it was funny.

For toddlers, perhaps the "s" is actually a possessive, as in "mine's". At around that age, claiming their possessions is a big preoccupation, so they might feel that "mine" is not good enough, so they feel the need to add the possessive "s" for the maximum impact.

That's my theory.

According to the OED, it's "regional (chiefly Scottish)".

I believe you may hear much more frequently in the southern U.S. Most often when I hear it, the individual is using it in a possessive sense.

This also drives me crazy. Usually I hear it from people that are more "ghetto". One of my co-workers uses "mines" often. Later in the day I will ask him why.

I've noticed in the southern african american dialect, mainly in middle to lower class adults and teens. Not trying to generalize, just making an observation.

"This book is mines", is childish. It seems that many younger people in an attempt to appear "cool" or "gangsterish" deliberately speak in a way that makes them seem uneducated. Unfortunately, such English stigmatises the speaker and makes them sound...somewhat less than intelligent.

Sarah you can call me anything you want (not original poster BTW), but saying mines is just plain wrong! If you know it is wrong and still use it, that IS lazy.

Saying axe instead of ask is also lazy. Lazy speach makes you sound stupid even if you are not. People have to realise that. How you speak is as important to other people's impressions of you as is the way you look. You can be wearing the finest most expensive clothes, but if you say mines or axe to me, I will never take you seriously.

Kim, I disagree. Laziness is not a factor here; dialect is. If you grow up in a home or neighborhood where "ask" is used instead of "ax," then that's what you'll likely say. It does reveal a level of education to a degree, but it's not an indicator of laziness. Imagine if someone told you that you sounded uneducated saying "ask." It would not be easy to switch, and it would sound unnatural for you to do so. People DO switch, but not without effort.

Regarding "mines": I HATE it! However, it does follow a pattern: yourS, herS, ourS, theirS, itS. ("His" doesn't fit because it already ends in -s.) So the first-person "mine" is actually an exception, and people are regularizing it to match the other corresponding forms. I work in a very high-poverty neighborhood where "mines" is the norm, and it's really hard to change it. People here aren't trying to sound ghetto. It is the ghetto. I figure "mines" is actually the more logical of the two forms and will win out in the end, but not after piercing my ears each time I hear it.

Kim, if you write off people who sound different from you, you're limiting yourself. People often try very hard to change their speech but it's difficult. I don't think you understand what it is like to speak a different dialect that is considered lower-class (and yes, there are some posers out there) because it takes work to change, and even then it doesn't always happen 100% of the time.

I agree that "ax" and "mines" will stigmatize people and mark them as uneducated, but the change doesn't reveal laziness or low intelligence. It reveals where people came from and where they live.

I'm black, I go to an HBCU and many of my peers use the word "mines" I do not. It is improper english and it is pure laziness. Just like saying "we was, we be, etc." Yes, black people down here in the south use it often, but white people do too. it's not an ethnicity issue, it's an education issue.

So, kipper, you're saying that it's not a race issue, but and education issue. That would exempt you from any accusation of racism (as would your being black because black people, of course, cannot be racist), but you are still an elitist.

I teach college in Atlanta and I swear my students think it is correct English. They even use it in their papers. I want to correct them so badly but I am white and I do not want to offend anyone - also I am not an English instructor. I have yet to encounter a white student that uses the word mines, it is always African American students. The problem is I am starting to see well educated African Americans use it and its just plain wrong, and makes them sounds stupid. Why are African Americans always trying to change the language i.e. "ax instead of "ask" it makes them look SO STUPID, and they are ok with it. Just speak freaking English people!

I think the problem is not that African Americans are trying to change the language, as you say, Sam, but that African Americans have been speaking a valid version of English all along that is yet to be recognized as correct by privileged, white English speakers.

I am amazed that there is this lengthy discussion on the use of "mines." It started to bother me a few years ago when African-American colleagues/co-workers used it so blithely and often. Good to know it bothers others also. I teach English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) to foreign adults, and I would hate to have them learn that version of "mine" or "my." In my experience, it is mostly non-college educated African-Americans who use it. My college and grad school buddies who happen to be black NEVER use "mines," at least not when I have been present. "Ax" instead of "ask" is also annoying, but "mines" takes the cake. And yes, we have too much time on our hands.

It's clearly a regionalism/dialect form. It actually makes some sense too. It seems to simply follow the pattern of all the other personal possessive pronouns: yours, his, hers, its, ours and theirs.

It seems to be a combination of all of the above. To use correct English and want to see others use correct English is NOT elitist. Any communication system needs to have both transmitter and receiver agree a set of protocols and rules so that the message intended gets across 100%. While any language is a 'living' dynamic system, there has to be strong pressure for conformity otherwise the whole system will break down. Any language has a history; this included quirks, exceptions and oddities. Tough! We just have to learn them, to accept the same protocols - anything else is laziness. If the question is ASKED ("Should ther be an 's' on the end of 'mine'?"), the protocol says 'NO!" If on knowing that, the asker continues to use the 's', that is clearly laziness or peer pressure. Like many other aspects of Western society, there has been a great dumbing down, and it's 'cool' (I wish we could stop using THAT word!!!) to seem street-wise, un-educated, anti-elitist etc. I for one would love to see that trend reversed, especially in music, but I don't think it will happen.

So far as using 'ax' instead of 'ask' is concerned, I have a feeling that physical differences in those of African descent make it more difficult to say the ... sk dipthong, hence ask is 'ax' task is 'tax' , mask is 'max' etc. There is also a difficulty with 'l' and 'r' - I often have to ask my African friends to repeat when they use words with these letters, to make sure I'm getting the message! Physical differences can be more difficult to over come, but it is possible (I know some Africans with very clear diction), and to not try is laziness. Wherever we are from, whatever our background, let's all do our bit to keep up standards - it's part of the route to world understanding. But of course, if you don't speak English - IT'S TIME YOU LEARNED!!!

It's quite common in Scottish dialect - 'Hands off, it's mine's', especially I think with children. And it does have a certain logic, as JJMBallantyne points out. Another one in the west of Scotland is yous, not as a possessive, but as a plural form of (the already plural) you - 'I'll see yous all later'.

@bengo - I wouldn't come to Britain if I were you: every city has its own dialect. And in peaktime TV soap operas, you'll often hear expressions like 'Well, it wasn't me what done it' or 'I ain't see him nowhere' - features common in some London dialects -'what' instead of 'who' or 'which', past participle ('done') instead of preterite ('did'), double negatives. It may not be standard English, but it's quite comprehensible to the rest of us. And it is the standard English in many communities - it's those of use who 'speak proper' who stand out as the oddities. If everyone around you is speaking in dialect, then it's that dialect which is the main 'communication system'. Why on Earth should be people who speak in dialect, who might never have to use more formal English in their daily lives, be considered lazy?

A joke from black stand-up comedian Reginald D Hunter, who's from Georgia, but lives in Britain. Hunter speaks perfect standard English, but does most of his act in a Southern drawl.

British woman: What do you know about Tommy Cooper? (A British comedian)
Hunter: He dead!
British woman: I must be terribly British and correct your grammar; I think it's 'he died'.
Hunter: At first he died, and now he dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7L3D8Ndqo

I am not in complete agreement about the African American connection. I don't recall hearing it until recently - in the past 6 years. You see, I believe it is also a natural evolution for second language learners. I heard it first from some African American students, when I began teaching, but more from the Hispanic students. Then I began teaching in a private school where there were the majority of students came from second language learner homes. Mines was used often. This second teaching experience was African American-less, meaning there were none. So I am thinking it is an outgrowth of second language learners. And hey, I've heard "ax" or "aks"since child hood. I just thought it came from not being able to say asks very well. As a teacher, I am on a gentle mission to help my students be prepared for the correct usage: "mine", as well as not using double negatives: "I ain't got no...". I know it is dialectical, but still, right?

LOL at the ass that used "ghetto" to refer to a person who uses the word "mines." Ghetto is a noun and not an adjective. Not to sure why you would comment on someone's grammar when yours is not up to par. But yes, using MINES drives me crazy! Mine is the correct word to show possession.

The English language has many dialects and slangs all over the world. 'Mines' instead of 'mine', and 'axe' instead of 'ask', can be heard from rural parts of England, Scotland and Ireland, to Canada, Australia and the U.S. It has nothing to do with the colour of a person's skin. For example, 99% of White and Black Americans pronounce 'clique' to rhyme with 'click' instead of the proper way which sounds like 'cleek'. Does that make 99% of Americans lazy?

You may want to ask yourself why non-standard = lazy in your mind.

I would like to come with a comment to the entry of the person who teaches college in Atlanta. You ask people to speak "freaking English" and yet you write, "The problem is I am starting to see well educated African Americans use it and its just plain wrong, and makes them sounds stupid." You lack an apostrophe on the word, "its" and you use an incorrect continuous verb. Should be "sound" and not sounds. Marianne Ruud, English teacher, Norway